There are an awful lot of car transmissions ready to explode too then. I liked manuals when I was drag racing, but you couldn't give me a car with a stick in it now, and I am sure I will like the new "auto trans" NC if it ever arrives at the dealer.
Both manual and DCT bikes have ECUs. As far as reported here this is the only reference to having to replace a ECU for a DCT fault. Far more ECUs are replaced on bikes with manual transmissions. Owners of other Honda motorcycles report of having to replace ECUs because they throw a faulty knock sensor code. Look up GL1800 and ST1300 DTC 25 & 26. The only fix is to replace the ECU.
Keeping within the scope of the Honda NC series DCT vs manual, I recall only a few manual transmission failures, and besides a broken clutch lever of shifter pedal, they were self induced accelerated clutch plate wear. I did it myself, and I knew I was doing it, but it was necessary to extract myself from a situation on a muddy remote forest road. Still, there were hundreds more miles and ample time to replace the clutch plates later. Meanwhile there are many more posts on the forum describing a variety of Honda NC DCT problems, some of which abruptly leave the bike in an inoperable state. The DCT faults are made worse by some dealers’ inability to properly diagnose the problems.
My reply was a response to a particular statement quoted in my reply.
To me, your statement is confusing and ambiguous, and I’ve lost the ability to follow the conversation. Carry on; I’m out.
Agreed. The conversation has run it’s course, but still might be more useful than discussing religious holidays on a motorcycle forum.
Also agree.
Interesting post and a credit to auto trans. Like I said earlier; don't let the words "auto trans" scare you into not buying one, they have proven to be a real asset over the years, and this is why you can't even buy most vehicles with a "stick" anymore. Many bike people like the idea of constantly shifting and I get that, but most NC's do have DCT.
What is the source of your data? I recall in the early days DCT was not selling as well as manual, possibly because of the high upcharge for the option, and maybe some buyer apprehension. I seem to remember lately reading that the DCT sales are higher than manual. I can’t cite a specific source What data do you have now for current sales, or are you lumping all sales from 2012 to 2022 in your statement?
I’m very upset that you say this discussion “is taken up by bored grumpy old men.” I’m mature, can still put my pants on without assistance and am the life and soul of any over 80s party with young folk.
It probably took a while to catch on but everywhere I read, they have been selling more dct's in general. Even if it was 50-50 the fact that people are paying more for that feature shows that they are an attractive option. Again, some like constantly shifting around town but most probably don't. I actually sold my beloved, mint, low mile Z900RS Kawi just because I discovered the NC with DCT. I haven't ridden since before they came out with them and admit I should have looked around more before buying the Kawi.
Lootz "ain't growed", just consider the source .........lol
Someone shopping for a mid sized motorcycle with a manual transmission has many, many options. Someone shopping for a mid sized motorcycle with an automatic transmission has pretty much one choice - something with an NC700 or 750 engine. so it stands to reason that Honda NC automatics are selling since Honda has pretty much cornered the market on a mid sized automatic.
Luckily there was a lot more I liked about the new NC than the auto trans which is why I am still waiting for it to come in. The Rebel is all black and too small, the Wing is a cruiser, the Africa one looks like a big dirt bike, etc. etc.
I didn't lose interest continuing the discussion of my incident with the DCT. My subsequent post made clear the bike, the next day, was running as it should. If the issue had raised it's ugly head again, I would have shared it here. 3,000 more miles on ODO since the DCT hiccup with no problems.
Sorry. Somehow I thought the problem was not fixed. Wasn't the engine idle RPM too high?
