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update...just had another set of Road 5's installed at 55,135 miles. This is the 8th set of tires on my 21 DCT. I was down to the wear bars, might have gotten another 500 miles out of them. Tech said bearings were smooth, and brake pads still had plenty of life

so as far as my tire wear goes that makes:

Metzler Tourance Next 7,130 miles
Michelin Road 5 8,579 miles
Pirelli Angel GT 7,696 miles
Shinko Raven 09 6,478 miles
Pirelli Angel GT 8,326 miles
Michelin Road 5 8,642 miles
Michelin Road 5 8,304 miles
We may rave about the NC’s low fuel costs, but any operational cost savings are almost overshadowed by tire replacements. I’m wild guessing that tires cost just as much per mile as fuel, at roughly 4 cents per mile each. Not to mention high maintenance costs from chain drive and internal combustion engine.
 
Definitely looks like the Michelin Road 5 is giving you the most miles! Not trying to turn this into a tire debate, just wondering why you went with the 5 and not the 6?

From Michelin:
The front and rear options of the Road 6 are now fitted with Michelin's 2CT+ Tech, which provides better rigidity at lean, resulting in more stability through the corners. Michelin blended their Silica Technology™ tread compound with the Water Evergrip Tech™ tread pattern for gains of 15% more wet grip than the Road 5, while also having a 10% increase in tread life than the predecessor.​
 
We may rave about the NC’s low fuel costs, but any operational cost savings are almost overshadowed by tire replacements. I’m wild guessing that tires cost just as much per mile as fuel, at roughly 4 cents per mile each. Not to mention high maintenance costs from chain drive and internal combustion engine.
Yea I think you are right. I've never considered motorcycles particularly cost saving vehicles especially compared to a car. Even in the gas shortage years in the 70s when I was selling bikes and people came in wanting to save money by driving a motorcycle to work, instead of a car, I thought " if you only knew". Sure the gas mileage is better, but frequent tire replacements, oil changes, brake pad replacement, oil/air filter replacements, spark plug replacements, valve adjustments, chains and sprockets etc just drive the cost of owning a motorcycle through the roof, especially if like me you don't do your own service work. (I do change my own oil, but thats about it).

I get a discount at my local shop but a set of Michelin Road 5s installed still cost me $560 ($470 for tires and $90 for labor). Since I got 8,304 miles out of that last set of tires, that works out to just over 6 1/2 cents per mile.

Good thing motorcycles are fun is all I have to say.
 
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Definitely looks like the Michelin Road 5 is giving you the most miles! Not trying to turn this into a tire debate, just wondering why you went with the 5 and not the 6?

From Michelin:
The front and rear options of the Road 6 are now fitted with Michelin's 2CT+ Tech, which provides better rigidity at lean, resulting in more stability through the corners. Michelin blended their Silica Technology™ tread compound with the Water Evergrip Tech™ tread pattern for gains of 15% more wet grip than the Road 5, while also having a 10% increase in tread life than the predecessor.​
It's ok...debate is good... and this is a thread about tire wear

I use Road 5s because they are a known entity to me. I dont know anything about the Road 6s and don't know anyone who has tried them. Even online on 3 different forums. If I start reading good reports about them, I would certainly be open to giving the Road 6s a try. 15 % more grip and 10% more mileage would be a good thing for sure.
 
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It's ok...debate is good... and this is a thread about tire wear

I use Road 5s because they are a known entity to me. I dont know anything about the Road 6s and don't know anyone who has tried them. Even online on 3 different forums. If I start reading good reports about them, I would certainly be open to giving the Road 6s a try. 15 % more grip and 10% more mileage would be a good thing for sure.
They are at the top of my list for this coming year, along with the Trail Attach 3 from Continental. I lke riding gravel roads now that I've got this lighter bike, so the TA3's and possibly the Michelin Anakee's are very temping.
Good to have choices!
 
Yea I think you are right. I've never considered motorcycles particularly cost saving vehicles especially compared to a car. Even in the gas shortage years in the 70s when I was selling bikes and people came in wanting to save money by driving a motorcycle to work, instead of a car, I thought " if you only knew". Sure the gas mileage is better, but frequent tire replacements, oil changes, brake pad replacement, oil/air filter replacements, spark plug replacements, valve adjustments, chains and sprockets etc just drive the cost of owning a motorcycle through the roof, especially if like me you don't do your own service work. (I do change my own oil, but thats about it).

I get a discount at my local shop but a set of Michelin Road 5s installed still cost me $560 ($470 for tires and $90 for labor). Since I got 8,304 miles out of that last set of tires, that works out to just over 6 1/2 cents per mile.

Good thing motorcycles are fun is all I have to say.
My quick fuel vs tire cost math in-my-head was based off both tires being replaced for $350. For me it would be closer to $250, doing it myself, but I had no idea you would pay $560 for a set of tires mounted. That means your tire cost is way more than your fuel cost.
 
My OEM Dunlop 609F tires, which I bought through the Honda parts system, wore evenly but are basically toast at 2,979 miles. I have ordered a set of Dunlop Mutant tires, which should be at the CycleGear Store, beautiful Bakersfield CA, tomorrow. The OEM Dunlops had a harsh ride, but they did stick like glue to the road. I am hoping for a more smoother ride and longer mileage, before wear out, with the Mutants, that I had with the 609F tires. I like cutting edge tires, which is why I use Dunlop 404s on my V-65 Sabre.

Harry
 
Definitely looks like the Michelin Road 5 is giving you the most miles! Not trying to turn this into a tire debate, just wondering why you went with the 5 and not the 6?

From Michelin:
The front and rear options of the Road 6 are now fitted with Michelin's 2CT+ Tech, which provides better rigidity at lean, resulting in more stability through the corners. Michelin blended their Silica Technology™ tread compound with the Water Evergrip Tech™ tread pattern for gains of 15% more wet grip than the Road 5, while also having a 10% increase in tread life than the predecessor.​
I just found this report on a Road 6 on the ST forum by PanRider 1300. The only Road 6 report I have found so far

"I have the Michelin Road 6 and about 7000km on front and rear. Rear will probably last another 1000km. But it is badly cupped. (*That's 4350 miles and another possible 620)
I am switching to another brand.
Maybe the new Bridgestone T33. Or the Continental Road Attack 4."

I read dduelin reported using Road 6's on his RT Beemer but didn't say how they rode or lasted

Just comparing prices at Revzilla a set of R5's are about $80 less than a set of R6's for our bike.
 
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I just found this report on a Road 6 on the ST forum by PanRider 1300. The only Road 6 report I have found so far

"I have the Michelin Road 6 and about 7000km on front and rear. Rear will probably last another 1000km. But it is badly cupped. (*That's 4350 miles and another possible 620)
I am switching to another brand.
Maybe the new Bridgestone T33. Or the Continental Road Attack 4."

I read dduelin reported using Road 6's on his RT Beemer but didn't say how they rode or lasted

Just comparing prices at Revzilla a set of R5's are about $80 less than a set of R6's for our bike.
Going back as far as the Pilot Road 2 & 3 this line of tires tended to wear unevenly on my ST1300 and NC700X. Very lumpy, scalloped, and feathering of tread design which I attributed to how Michelin constructed the dual compound thread which is harder in the center and softer on the edges. Where the thread goes from hard to soft on on each side of center seems to contribute to the weird wear patterns. I wrote off the brand for about 5 years but when I bought my RT in 2019 it was already on a set of Road 5s and those tires convinced me that Michelin had greatly improved how dual compound tires wore the last 50% of life. I have stuck with 5s on the RT and NC700X. The front 5 currently on the NC has 13,572 miles with more to go. The rear 5 went 12,287 before replacement. When the Road 6 came out I stayed away from it because the Road 5 was giving me great performance but in September of 2022 I needed replacement front and front 5s were out of stock so I went with a Road 6. It lasted 21,685 miles. The time came to replace it and I put a 5 back on I think because there was a promotion on sets of 5s.

For additional reading <https://www.nc700-forum.com/threads/michelin-road-5-vs-road-6.24764/#post-276044>
 
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Thanks for the link Dave, I had forgotten about that thread

Still, you seem to be one of a very few that have tried a 6 (even if only on the front) and you went back to a 5 if I read that right.
 
I have Road 6 tires on my 2019 manual NC. They've got about 4,000 miles on them and are still in great condition with LOTS of miles left. I know that's not an extensive amount of data, but it's what I've got. So far I'm very happy with them.
 
Consider Metzeler Roadtec SE 01, I had them on the NC I ran in Spain, 9,000 miles & plenty tread left when I sold the bike. I now have the Metz on my UK NC. This tyre came top (again) in recent MCN Sport Tour Tyre test. I'm no lightweight at 125kg & impressed with longevity & its a great handling tyre . Price point (UK) between the Mich Road 5 & 6 that many of the herd go for over here https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-kit/tyres/sports-touring-tyres/
 
I have to say I am fairly impressed with the Metz Tourance tires that are on my 21 NC. They are the original tires that came on the bike and I'm at 6k miles with a good amount of tread left. I have noticed that they do not seem easy to find though. Great info on experiences here though which is very helpful.
 
I have to say I am fairly impressed with the Metz Tourance tires that are on my 21 NC. They are the original tires that came on the bike and I'm at 6k miles with a good amount of tread left. I have noticed that they do not seem easy to find though. Great info on experiences here though which is very helpful.
I got 7,130 miles out of my original Metzler Tourance's and thought they were a pretty decent tire. No complaints about handling or wear pattern. They are difficult to find. However, I do think the Road 5 is a better tire than the Metzler for longevity, handling and rain stickiness.

For me I would rate the Road 5s the best of the tires I've tried on the NC, followed by the Angel GTs, then the Metz Tourance and the Shinko Raven 009's. Although in the future I may try another set of the Shinko's because everyone else seems to get good mileage out of them. Maybe mine were just a bad set. I honestly don't even consider Dunlop's or Bridgestone's and maybe that's my bad, but I've ridden on enough bad Dunlop's and Bridgestone's over the years, that it has soured me on those two brands.

I ride about 1,000 miles every 20 days on average, so tire life (and cost) is kind of important to me. As it is, I am changing oil and tires at about the same time, every 8,000 miles lol.
 
I have used my NC750x to test tires in the mountains. Every new Sport and sport touring tire from Michelin, Dunlop, Bridgestone and Continental was run through from Knoxville. TN to Franklin, NC (several times a week usually). A couple of years ago I switched my test rig to a Triumph Tiger Sport 660. Since that time I have run only one tire set on the NC. The one that lasts longer, turns better and sticks on all surfaces as well as anything I've ever used. All my friends run this tire (some getting over 10K miles from a set). It was a real surprise that it is such a superior tire.

The tire is the Dunlop Roadsmart 4. I get 5K miles out each set like clockwork. 500 more miles than the Michelin Road 5 or Road 6. They "feel" better longer than any tire I've ever used. My NC is a true sleeper of a sport bike with upgraded brakes and suspension and I got from 1,300 miles to 1,500 miles from sport rubber. I run only the RS4's on the Triumph when it's not testing tires.

Kebrider
 
Like I said I have not even considered Dunlop (I've heard mechanics call them done floppeds) or Bridgestones (heard them called Bridgerocks) after having bad experiences with them over the last 30 years, but I have heard good things about the newer Bridgestone T32's?

I just found this 10,000 mile review of the Roadsmart 4's


Maybe I will have to give them a try this summer

Revzilla shows the front at $225 and the rear $260 or $485 a set... prices in between a pair of Road 5's ($431) and Road 6's ($506)
 
Like I said I have not even considered Dunlop (I've heard mechanics call them done floppeds) or Bridgestones (heard them called Bridgerocks) after having bad experiences with them over the last 30 years, but I have heard good things about the newer Bridgestone T32's?
Haha! I remember years ago the stock Dunlop tires (maybe K630?) that came on the old Ninja 250 were almost always called Dunrocks, for being so hard and slippery.
 
I used to change my tires when the service guy recommended, at about 7,400 miles each on the Metzler's and the first set of Roads 5s. After the first set Road 5s wore out I rode less aggressively and I don't change tires until they are down to the wear bars. I'm now getting just above 10,000 miles on the last 2 sets of Road 5s.

The last time I replaced tires on the '21 I considered Road 6s. At the time they were going for a 20% premium over the Road 5s, so I stayed with the Road 5s.

The '24 NC has the Metzler Tourance tires. I could feel the difference immediately when I got on the '24 for the first time. The feeling wasn't a dangerous feeling or a feeling that inspired one to be extra cautious. It just felt different. I'll be sticking with Road 5s when the Metzler's wear out. I feel the Road 5s are a better rain tire.

I save a few dollars when I replace the front tire by taking just the wheel to the shop instead of the whole bike.
 
LOTS of BMW touring bike owners love the RoadSmart 4 (and 3, but the 4 lasts longer). I have them on my K1600 and really like them on it. Never had Dunlops on Wiley.
 
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