Veridian Cruise control

[Kiwi]

Looks like the 2025 model has a different set of controls on the handlebar. The (very nice) custom set of buttons won't fit on them, if you look at the pictures.
Since my new NC is sceduled to be delivered in week 8 + I have a 3D printer and some CAD experience - perhaps we can make a 2025 version?

I do wonder two things with this Veridian:
-One of the reasons for picking a (new) Honda is the 5 year warranty. It states clearly that any alterations to the electrical circuit will void the warranty. Veridian does let you make some changes, like splitting your brake sensor wire. It's a bit more tweaking compared to just adding your GPS to the original accessories connector. Or am I overthinking this?

-I've read that cruise is perfectly safe with motorcycles, 'just use the clutch in case of danger/malfunction'. Well, my DCT does not have a clutch lever. And switching to neutral is not possible when using throttle? So what do you do in case of a malfunction and cruise wont disengage? Try to outbrake your acceleration?

 

[670cc]

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-I've read that cruise is perfectly safe with motorcycles, 'just use the clutch in case of danger/malfunction'. Well, my DCT does not have a clutch lever. And switching to neutral is not possible when using throttle? So what do you do in case of a malfunction and cruise wont disengage? Try to outbrake your acceleration?

Engine kill switch?

A well designed cruise control should have multiple ways to disengage. On my Goldwing, turning off the cruise control, touching either brake, touching the clutch, or fully closing the throttle will electrically signal the cruise control to disengage. If a manlfunction caused it not to disengage, I could hit the kill switch and pull in the clutch lever to safely bring the bike to a stop, assuming I have space to do so.

Since on a DCT, the rider has no control of the clutch, I guess pressing engine stop would bring the bike to a quick engine-braked stop, still in gear.

 

[Rydinon]

There have been some stories about runaway cars that people could not turn off. Last time I threw a leg over my NC, I had to turn this little thingy called a key to start it up. Yet another way to shut the engine off - ignition key or kill switch. I think the Veridian shuts down if you touch the brake, try to shift, or even hit the off button. And, iirc, if you push down on the side stand just a little bit, that will kill the engine too (or does it have to be fully deployed?). What happens if, in an emergency, you push the N switch to shift into neutral?

 

[Donk]

Think on a DCT you could always hit N Neutral too. I believe it is the opposite of D Drive on the same rocker switch? I suspect if you hit the Veridian ON switch when it was on wouldn't turn OFF the system? So many possibilities! Run away cruise control? Think I would need something else to lose sleep over.

 

[Kiwi]

Think on a DCT you could always hit N Neutral too. I believe it is the opposite of D Drive on the same rocker switch? I suspect if you hit the Veridian ON switch when it was on wouldn't turn OFF the system? So many possibilities! Run away cruise control? Think I would need something else to lose sleep over.

I might be overly cautious, but since I ride with my 10 year old daughter on the rear seat, I tend to be extra careful.

Can you even switch to N with throttle engaged? I know that S1 / S2 / S3 switching requires you to release the throttle. Never tried to go to N on the move.

But I guess the previously suggested engine kill switch might do the trick if all else fails.

 

[Kiwi]

Engine kill switch?

A well designed cruise control should have multiple ways to disengage. On my Goldwing, turning off the cruise control, touching either brake, touching the clutch, or fully closing the throttle will electrically signal the cruise control to disengage. If a manlfunction caused it not to disengage, I could hit the kill switch and pull in the clutch lever to safely bring the bike to a stop, assuming I have space to do so.

Since on a DCT, the rider has no control of the clutch, I guess pressing engine stop would bring the bike to a quick engine-braked stop, still in gear.

Microsoft Excel also has multiple ways to disengage (quit): close it with a mouse button, use a keyboard to ATL F4, use a command prompt or task manager, etc. And still it manages to ignore all these ways of input when it decides to malfunction.

But yea I might be just overthinking the situation. The engine kill switch would always override it.

 

[TVK]

I do wonder two things with this Veridian:
-One of the reasons for picking a (new) Honda is the 5 year warranty. It states clearly that any alterations to the electrical circuit will void the warranty

That is not a problem at Ten Kate Motoren.
Just ask the workshop manager Erik.
Both my bikes ('21 '23) are there too, they built the Veridian CC for me on my '23 under warranty, and they know that one cable has to be interrupted and reassembled, this does not void your warranty.
The '21 they also mounted the Veridian cc on it.

 

[the Ferret]

-One of the reasons for picking a (new) Honda is the 5 year warranty. It states clearly that any alterations to the electrical circuit will void the warranty.

That's a 2 year warranty with a 3 year purchased extended warranty right?

For some reason in most parts of the world Honda gives a 2 year warranty...but here in the US we only get a 1 year warranty.

 

[TVK]

That's a 2 year warranty with a 3 year purchased extended warranty right?

For some reason in most parts of the world Honda gives a 2 year warranty...but her in the US we only get a 1 year warranty.

No, its 2 years factory and 3 years Benelux warranty from Honda Benelux. (no purchased, is standard if you buy a new Honda here)
And also free Honda Road Assistance (also at home) everywhere if you maintenance at the Honda dealer.
In the US you can buy the 5 years warranty for about 890,- Dollar.

 

[the Ferret]

No, its 2 years factory and 3 years Benelux warranty from Honda Benelux. (no purchased, is standard if you buy a new Honda here)
And also free Honda Road Assistance (also at home) everywhere if you maintenance at the Honda dealer.

wow that's a good deal although most people here prefer doing their own maintenance.

Does having the maintenance done at Honda dealer mean you must use them for oil changes, brake pads, spark plugs and filters per Hondas maint. schedule etc?

What is the labor rate at Honda dealers in the Netherlands? In the US it's usually about $125-$145 per hour. Is it comparable there?

 

[Kiwi]

That is not a problem at Ten Kate Motoren.
Just ask the workshop manager Erik.
Both my bikes ('21 '23) are there too, they built the Veridian CC for me on my '23 under warranty, and they know that one cable has to be interrupted and reassembled, this does not void your warranty.
The '21 they also mounted the Veridian cc on it.

Hmm, might be an idea to ask them if this only applies to when they do the Veridian installing. I would like to do it myself.

Personally, I try to avoid brand dealers as much as possible, since OEM maintenance / parts is total ****.
Charging me €250 for brake pads, that would be €18 without the OEM sticker, like my Ford dealer does.

 

[TVK]

Hmm, might be an idea to ask them if this only applies to when they do the Veridian installing. I would like to do it myself.

I don't think they have a problem with you mounting it yourself.
They mounted mine in 2.5 hours of work, and I asked them to neatly solder the cable that had to be cut, instead of putting a weird scotch block in between. (I hate unsoldered connections)
It cost me about 250,- to have it mounted, that's quite a bit of money. (but just like you I didn't want any hassle with the warranty of the '23 bike)
But they now know the Veridian system.

If you say to Erik: I'm going to build a Veridian CC on the bike, I assume that it won't affect my warranty, since you've already installed 2 of these systems, including 1 on a bike that is under warranty, that should be fine with my warranty, right?
Ten Kate is a reputable company, they don't write big bills.

 

[Kiwi]

I don't think they have a problem with you mounting it yourself.
They mounted mine in 2.5 hours of work, and I asked them to neatly solder the cable that had to be cut, instead of putting a weird scotch block in between. (I hate unsoldered connections)
It cost me about 250,- to have it mounted, that's quite a bit of money. (but just like you I didn't want any hassle with the warranty of the '23 bike)
But they now know the Veridian system.

If you say to Erik: I'm going to build a Veridian CC on the bike, I assume that it won't affect my warranty, since you've already installed 2 of these systems, including 1 on a bike that is under warranty, that should be fine with my warranty, right?
Ten Kate is a reputable company, they don't write big bills.

How did you get the Veridian?
Ordered it straight from Canada or found a reseller in EU?

If you order it from Canada, it will probably have like import charges (4.5%?) plus BTW tax (21%) plus handling (€16 @ PostNL?). So along the €90 extra, right?

 

[TVK]

How did you get the Veridian?
Ordered it straight from Canada or found a reseller in EU?

If you order it from Canada, it will probably have like import charges (4.5%?) plus BTW tax (21%) plus handling (€16 @ PostNL?). So along the €90 extra, right?

I ordered it directly from Viridian in Canada.
They shipped it here via DHL.
DHL did the customs clearance (import and tax), and this was an amount of €79,-
You will automatically receive an email from DHL when they have done the import at customs, with a payment link.

Ten Kate is not at all difficult with warranty.
Before they delivered my new DCT they also had a belt conversion, this is also covered by the Honda warranty
(not the belt itself, this runs through the company where I ordered it)

They knew that I already had the belt conversion when I ordered my new bike, and had told them that they had to build it on, that was no problem at all.
So they did it
So they did the Belt conversion and cruise control build-in on both the '21 and the '23.

 

[the Ferret]

wow a belt drive and cruise. Pretty nice set up on an NC.

How many miles did you put on the belt on either bike? Any issues?

 

[TVK]

wow a belt drive and cruise. Pretty nice set up on an NC.

How many miles did you put on the belt on either bike? Any issues?

Will send you a pm

 

[Rydinon]

Will send you a pm

Can you post your answer below? I'm interested and I'd guess others will be too.

 

[TVK]

Can you post your answer below? I'm interested and I'd guess others will be too.

I don't want to highjack this topic, and keep it clean.
But there is already a topic about the belt conversion:

Belt conversion

 

[Tamas_67]

How did you get the Veridian?
Ordered it straight from Canada or found a reseller in EU?

If you order it from Canada, it will probably have like import charges (4.5%?) plus BTW tax (21%) plus handling (€16 @ PostNL?). So along the €90 extra, right?

They have resellers in EU - Poland, France, Spain, Denmark. I asked the Polish for shipping to Hungary they replied immediately and they will ship it to me. The unit is 355€ and the shipping is 15€ but no additional fees within EU.

 

[Kiwi]

They have resellers in EU - Poland, France, Spain, Denmark. I asked the Polish for shipping to Hungary they replied immediately and they will ship it to me. The unit is 355€ and the shipping is 15€ but no additional fees within EU.

Yea that was exactly what I was thinking about. I have (Dutch) friends living in Warsaw, so they might even help out.