bigjeff
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HP peeps no like torque
Torque people thumb their nose at HP
On and on it goes. Kinda like an oil thread only different.
Torque people thumb their nose at HP
On and on it goes. Kinda like an oil thread only different.
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If you don't short shift you are missing out on the best power production from this engine. This engine is designed to produce torque, not horsepower. The best wave of torque to surf is well below redline. Wringing it's neck for more power will only disappoint.
R
Try it - you'll like it.
All the 2V Ducatis are like this?
I had a week long travel experience 15 years ago on a Cagiva Elefant 750 and remember this granular-to-redline progression too even though I never hit the limiter, if it existed on that bike. I really want to know if all 2 Valvers are like this and how different are the 4 Valvers in comparison. Is the desmo (while great breathing at high rpm) any responsible for snatchy behavior under 3K or just the fueling?
I got caught out today for the first time in 2 months (since getting the bike), with the rev limiter. I was over-taking a bus, with an oncoming car in front of me, when I hit the limiter. Luckily, I had just enough time to change up and get past the bus but a bit hairy...
What would be good is if the limiter was more gradual - cut power to 50% at the limit, 25% another 100 rpm further etc...not sure if that is technically feasible?
NC700 for a fast run with the boys on the weekends NO way. Ride them for what they are.
Graeme
I got caught out today for the first time in 2 months (since getting the bike), with the rev limiter. I was over-taking a bus, with an oncoming car in front of me, when I hit the limiter. Luckily, I had just enough time to change up and get past the bus but a bit hairy...
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Why does this continually get brought up by people that know nothing about passing on a NC700X?I just now read this thread from end to end. There's an excessive amount of "what this bike is designed for" and "old Jim Watt's pony" and "I don't need to go fast" and "safe for the engine" and "when I took calculus in school" and such not in it. None of which is the point, the way I read the OP.
The brain dead cager out to kill you today has size, power, immunity to physical injury, all in his corner. These are massive advantages. He has no skin in the game. We do. We only have two little tricks in our corner: acceleration and nimbleness. And acceleration is the better part of nimbleness. Yes. You do need acceleration to drive safely.
You pull up behind a cell phoning dimwit with a bumper sticker that says: "I brake for no apparent reason", weaving about, paying no attention, looking for his coffee, tuning his radio, O Blivious. Cars are crowding up behind you. There's an empty space up ahead of him. You would be safer there. How do you get from here to that safe place? It's not about a race bike, it's not about going fast, it's about getting out of the way. On every other bike you downshift, you punch it, you pass, and then you can throttle back and relax. On your abruptly rev limited NCX, you downshift, punch it, and halfway round the poky bastid your darn engine cuts out. Cuts right out! How is that ever safe? No; not safe for the engine; but safe for you? Screw the engine. How is it ever safe for you when your engine cuts out mid-maneuver? Anyone who tries to say he never needs to get the heck out of the way, I hope he has good life insurance, God bless him. I have been riding 55 years. First thing I learned early on is, don't let them crowd you; go find the empty spot between traffic. A CHP came to drivers ed and lectured us on that.
That's why the original poster suggested removing the rev limiter. Least that's the way I read it. Not because he bought the NCX to go fast. Not because old Jim Watt hitched a pony. Not because of RPMs or torque or horsepower or ... anything else but this:
To get out of the way without his engine cutting out leaving him stranded.
So.
The ideal solution might be to buy that $149 "MAGNUM Programmable REV LIMITER" off Amazon and then be careful to stay below 6500 RPM.
That's the way I read it. But what do I know? I don't own one.
By analogy, I do own a KLR650, though. That bike suffers the opposite: It has virtually no brakes. You have to ride as though you can't stop. Cause you can't. The way we used to ride our Honda 305 Dream with drum brakes, shoes the size of your thumbnail. It's dang dangerous when you clamp down and you got nuttin. In the same exact way that it's dangerous trying to get past an idjut and the engine cuts out.
Let's address that. Has anyone eliminated the abrupt rev lomiter? Would it be better to wait for the 750 where that limiter has been removed?
There are plenty of technical articles on the 700/750 engine that explain how the mission brief of maximum economy from given displacement was achieved ........ I don't need to repeat any of that. This modern 650 twin is very different from others in the 650 class and that is why it has such a low redline. Honda builds engines to last and last and it's my opinion the low redline is to preserve this heritage of long trouble free life not to preserve chintzy materials.
Is it possible to eliminate the rev limiter on an NC700? I have been riding for nearly 50 years and I am fully aware of the implications of doing that, However, I like this new little bike and hate the limiter, not to mention that it can be dangerous in a tight traffic situation. Thanks for any help.