NC700X DCT Won't Start

[wozza]

Nope. Sorry, call your dealer.

As a last ditch effort have you checked for blown fuses?


And when your DCT is finally cleared of this issue, I suggest you switch to neutral, then turn the engine off. As a side note, I never touch the engine kill switch.

There does appear to be quite a few people in the USA who seem to use the 'Kill switch' as a means of switching off the engine. The 'kill switch' is meant for emergency use and nothing else.

 

[kjang]

The reason why is because in my class (motorcycle safety class), they tell you to use the RED kill switch to turn it off.

Ken

 

[wozza]

Ah so that's why - interesting. You certainly do things differently over the other side of the pond. The normal key ignition is what we are told to use (as per a car) and leave the Kill switch well alone.
On a personal level I can't see the point of using 2 systems to switch the engine off.

 

[kjang]

I don't understand why. I sometimes just use the key to turn the bike off or sometimes use the red emergency switch. However iI do try to make sure the dct is in neutral first.

Ken

 

[SergeantChuck]

The reason why is because in my class (motorcycle safety class), they tell you to use the RED kill switch to turn it off.

Ken

That is odd. Could be something new they teach.

In 25 years of riding I have probably accidentally hit the emergency shutdown switch more times than I have intentionally used it. I'm retired from the Army and they were big on motorcycle DDC classes (Defensive Driver Course). Took it several times over my career. Each duty station. Never had been taught that.

 

[n30r3l0ad3d]

Sounds almost like a dead battery. Throw a DVOM on it and check. And even if it does show 12v, check it while hitting the start button. If the voltage drops when hitting the start button significantly, battery is toast.

 

[Old Can Ride]

I know nothing about the DCT, or any special electrical switches it may have. However, the electrical power on a vehicle goes round and round. Simple field check. First the battery voltage should be around 14 volts when checked. I agree with HondaBikePro, on an automatic the unit must have full battery power. Second is power getting to starter silo node? If no power to silo node, usually one of the kill switches. Is power exiting starter silo node with proper voltage? If not bad starter silo node. Is proper voltage getting to starter motor? If not short between starter silo node and starter motor. Does starter motor have proper voltage? And round, and round it goes! Never a magic answer with the electrical system, just a lot of detective work. Always time consuming. Also, have you added anything electric in nature that is a non stock item?

 

[OriginalRocket]

Sounds almost like a dead battery. Throw a DVOM on it and check. And even if it does show 12v, check it while hitting the start button. If the voltage drops when hitting the start button significantly, battery is toast.

I am in agreement with this post. Since you like to switch the bike off before putting into neutral, the battery may not have enough power to move the clutches and gears. That is why I suggest putting the DCT into neutral and then shutting off with the key.

What happens when you turn the DCT version of the NC700x off with the bike still in gear, is it stays in gear. When you go to turn the bike on, turning the key to the on position will/try to move the transmission into neutral. It feels and sounds like something is unwinding in the transmission when you turn the key. The manual stresses not to do this, but the motorcycle has a back up system just in case you forget. Which I have, a few times, when the bike was new. Now it is habit to switch to neutral, then turn the key to off.

And yes, I was taught in my MSF class to use the kill switch, then turn the bike off. I never agreed with this.

 

[Fyrfyta]

Agree, when I took the course they wanted you to hit the kill switch when shutting down. I stopped doing it when I read in my Aero manual to leave it in the on position.
There must be a reason they wanted us to do that...maybe just to insure the bike is off, or prevent students from accidentily starting before being told to restart.

 

[jelo]

The reason why is because in my class (motorcycle safety class), they tell you to use the RED kill switch to turn it off.

Seems to me when I took the MSF class - turning the bike off with the Red Kill Switch IS what they taught and can be done while keeping both hands on the hand grips (and levers if need be) - which might be a good way to do it if shutting the manual tranny bike down while in gear.

 

[wozza]

Seems to me when I took the MSF class - turning the bike off with the Red Kill Switch IS what they taught and can be done while keeping both hands on the hand grips (and levers if need be) - which might be a good way to do it if shutting the manual tranny bike down while in gear.

But why would you switch the engine off with the bike in gear? Even if I was parking on a slope and wanted the extra safety of leaving my bike in gear ( using the side stand), I would still prefer to go into neutral first and switch off.

 

[Mike Cash]

But why would you switch the engine off with the bike in gear? Even if I was parking on a slope and wanted the extra safety of leaving my bike in gear ( using the side stand), I would still prefer to go into neutral first and switch off.

Your own wording gives your answer: that's your preference. Others may have different preferences. If you have some compelling reason why the kill switch absolutely MUST never be used except in an "emergency" situation I would like to hear it, together with examples of such emergency situations.

I've seen different countries teaching entirely different techniques on a number of things as being the only "correct" way of doing something and absent a very clear and logical reason for choosing one over the other I no longer just swallow what I am handed.

 

[wozza]

Your own wording gives your answer: that's your preference. Others may have different preferences. If you have some compelling reason why the kill switch absolutely MUST never be used except in an "emergency" situation I would like to hear it, together with examples of such emergency situations.

I've seen different countries teaching entirely different techniques on a number of things as being the only "correct" way of doing something and absent a very clear and logical reason for choosing one over the other I no longer just swallow what I am handed.

I think you're probably right it's up to the preference of the individual. Though I will say even in the NC owners manual it states the engine stop switch should normally remain in the run position.. In an emergency switch to the off position. I can see why a kill switch is on a bike in case it falls over and the engine is still running etc etc.... At the end of the day each to their own..

 

[jelo]

But why would you switch the engine off with the bike in gear? Even if I was parking on a slope and wanted the extra safety of leaving my bike in gear ( using the side stand), I would still prefer to go into neutral first and switch off.

Both my car and truck have manual transmissions. Whether I stop them in-gear or in neutral, when I leave them parked it is always in-gear with the parking brake applied. Leaving the bike in gear when turned off seemed to be a similar approach.

Wouldn't the bike being in-gear and locked be at least a minimal way of deterring theft?

 

[L.B.S.]

But why would you switch the engine off with the bike in gear? Even if I was parking on a slope and wanted the extra safety of leaving my bike in gear ( using the side stand), I would still prefer to go into neutral first and switch off.

Granted it's relatively rare, but over time it does happen more than a few times- where I am wanting to shut the bike off, but it's in gear, and I have both feet occupied for balance/brake application, clutch pulled in (obviously lol) and my right hand applying front brake or clenching the grip with white knuckles heehee. (say a Ferry with slippery wet steel deck, bouncing through waves, where they advise you to stay sitting on the bike for the crossing)

In this instance or ones like it where I for whatever reason don't want to or can't shift into neutral and let go of the clutch or let go of the front brake to turn the key off, being able to simply move your thumb over to kill the bike, is well, the only decent way to accomplish the task.

I remember one or two passengers over the years that outweighed me by a great margin, and it was all I could do to keep the bike upright at a stop when their big butts decided to lean off kilter, just as I was about to shut the bike off. Being able to hit the kill switch instantly in case of a non-recoverable tip over, offered a little piece of mind.

My last trip with my Wolfman Rainier tank bag in the "filled to overflowing" mode, it obscured the ignition switch just enough to make it irksome to get at when sitting on the bike. Hitting the kill switch was used a lot by me last week.

I look at it like any other biking related skill; something that you practice doing until you have muscle memory, no thought required action available, on the one off chance time you may actually really need it. I live for those times when I can smugly pat myself on the back for doing something that benefitted me, versus all the times I have gone: D'Oh!

 

[jelo]

I think you're probably right it's up to the preference of the individual. Though I will say even in the NC owners manual it states the engine stop switch should normally remain in the run position.. In an emergency switch to the off position. I can see why a kill switch is on a bike in case it falls over and the engine is still running etc etc.... At the end of the day each to their own..

Do motorcycles have Tip-Over-Switches that would shut them off automatically when not upright? I have no idea.

 

[pconn]

I think you're probably right it's up to the preference of the individual. Though I will say even in the NC owners manual it states the engine stop switch should normally remain in the run position.. In an emergency switch to the off position. I can see why a kill switch is on a bike in case it falls over and the engine is still running etc etc.... At the end of the day each to their own..

It's correct that in the MSF Basic RiderCourse, we teach students to use the engine cut-off switch (we don't like to use the word "kill" in the motorcycle safety community ) rather than the key for the reason that Jelo cited in an earlier post....it allows the rider to keep both hands on the handgrips which allows them to maintain control of the motorcycle. Don't forget, the BRC is designed for beginner riders. Either the cutoff switch or the key will do the job, the main thing is to be safe about it.

 

[SergeantChuck]

I generally try to stay away from parking on hills. Unless they are a very slight grade. Some of you may not have that option. If I did I would definitely leave the bike in gear. I have never thought of that as being a theft deterrent because as several people have pointed out in the past it just a matter of four guys and a truck to pick her up and drive away. I'm glad I don't have to worry about my bike getting stolen. Watch it happen tonight now that I said that.

As for leaving my bike in gear or neutral when parked. I generally leave her in neutral because I start it at 5AM in the morning and let the RMP's run down before I ever step foot on the bike. Have done it that way for 25 years. I just kind of assumed everyone did it that way.

I even put in it neutral when waiting at lights. If its going to be a while.

It all comes down to preference.

 

[L.B.S.]

Do motorcycles have Tip-Over-Switches that would shut them off automatically when not upright? I have no idea.

Good point
Every EFI bike I've owned has had a tip over sensor, but to be honest, I've never known if they shut off "instantly" from an ignition cut method, or can run for a tiny little bit, only dieing from fuel starvation via a fuel pump shut off.

 

[wozza]

It's correct that in the MSF Basic RiderCourse, we teach students to use the engine cut-off switch (we don't like to use the word "kill" in the motorcycle safety community ) rather than the key for the reason that Jelo cited in an earlier post....it allows the rider to keep both hands on the handgrips which allows them to maintain control of the motorcycle. Don't forget, the BRC is designed for beginner riders. Either the cutoff switch or the key will do the job, the main thing is to be safe about it.

Thank you for your very informative reply. I appreciate that..